EIN Responsible Party for LLC

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EIN Responsible Party for an LLC

Who can be the Responsible Party for your LLC’s EIN Number?

Important notes:
1. The information below is written in the context of forming an LLC.
2. Make sure your LLC is approved before getting an EIN. You don’t want to get an EIN first and then later find out your LLC filing was rejected by the state. Exceptions are a Louisiana LLC and a West Virginia LLC.

This is the IRS’s definition of the EIN Responsible Party:

The “responsible party” is the person who ultimately owns or controls the entity or who exercises ultimate effective control over the entity. The person identified as the responsible party should have a level of control over, or entitlement to, the funds or assets in the entity that, as a practical matter, enables the person, directly or indirectly, to control, manage, or direct the entity and the disposition of its funds and assets. Unless the applicant is a government entity, the responsible party must be an individual (i.e., a natural person), not an entity.

Source: Instructions for Form SS-4 (see “Responsible party defined”).

That definition is likely confusing and will leave you scratching your head.

Here’s the simplified version for an LLC:

The EIN Responsible Party for an LLC will be one of the LLC Members (owners of the LLC).

The EIN Responsible Party is the IRS “Contact Person”

An easy way to think of the EIN Responsible Party is that it’s the IRS’s “contact person” for the LLC.

It’s the person whom the IRS will send mail and correspondence to, either providing information to the LLC or requesting information from the LLC.

Who can be the Responsible Party for an LLC?

The EIN Responsible Party for an LLC must be an LLC Member (owner).

• In a Single-Member LLC, the EIN Responsible Party must be the sole LLC Member.

• In a Multi-Member LLC, the EIN Responsible Party must be one of the LLC Members. Although any LLC Member can be listed, the person listed will take on the responsibility of making sure the LLC’s taxes are handled properly.

The IRS uses different titles for LLC Members (owners)

Although at the state-level, the official title for an owner of an LLC is “Member”, at the federal-level, things are spoken about differently at the IRS.

Let’s get you familiar with the IRS’s language, so you’re not confused if you have to call them.

• In a Single-Member LLC, the IRS refers to the LLC Member as the “owner“.

• In a Multi-Member LLC, the IRS refers to the LLC Members as the “partners“.

Can the Responsible Party be an LLC Manager?

If your LLC is Manager-Managed, it depends on whether or not the Manager is also a Member.

• If your LLC Manager is NOT a Member of your LLC, then they can’t be the Responsible Party.

• If your LLC Manager is ALSO a Member of your LLC, then they can be the Responsible Party. Just list them (or any other LLC Member) as a “Member” when filing the application for the Responsible Party

If your LLC is Member-Managed, you don’t need to worry about this. Just list an LLC Member as the Responsible Party.

(related article: Member-managed LLC vs Manager-managed LLC)

The EIN Responsible Party can’t be an entity (company)

The IRS made changes to the EIN Application that went into effect on January 1st of 2018.

The EIN Responsible Party must now be an individual person. It can’t be a entity (company).

To quote the IRS definition:

Unless the applicant is a government entity, the responsible party must be an individual (i.e., a natural person), not an entity.

The IRS allowed 16 months for “adjustment time”

After the IRS changes a rule that has been in place for a while, they often allow the public some time to become aware of the new rule (before strictly enforcing it). During that “adjustment time”, the IRS still accepted EIN applications with entities as the Responsible Party, however, the IRS issued an update (effective May 13th, 2019), stating this rule will now be strictly enforced.

Meaning, the EIN Responsible Party for an LLC (or other company) must be a person. It can’t be a company. We’ve explained this in more detail here: The IRS May 2019 requirements for EIN applications (and why most websites are wrong).

Note: If you are a non-US resident or non-US citizen and you don’t have an SSN or ITIN, you can still get an EIN for your LLC. This rule/enforcement doesn’t affect you being the Responsible Party for your LLC. For more information, please how can I get an EIN for my LLC without an SSN or ITIN.

Who can be the Responsible Party for an LLC owned by another LLC?

If you have one LLC (the “Child”) that is owned by another LLC (the “Parent”):

  • you can’t list the Parent LLC as the Responsible Party for the Child LLC; and
  • you can’t list the Parent LLC’s EIN on the new Child LLC’s EIN Application

This used to be allowed, but as of 2018, this is no longer the case.

Unless the LLC obtaining the EIN is a government entity (which will not be the case for 99% of our readers), the EIN Responsible Party must be a natural person. This means the Responsible Party must be an individual and can’t be a company.

Again, even though the LLC applying for a new EIN is owned by another LLC, you’ll need to list an individual person as the EIN Responsible Party. So in this case, you should just list one of the owners (Members) of the Parent LLC.

Who can be the Responsible Party for an LLC if the Member is a Trust?

If an LLC is owned by a Trust or multiple Trusts (said another way: If a Trust is an LLC Member), then it depends on if the Grantor is alive.

Note: A Grantor is also referred to as a Settlor, Trustor, or Trust Owner. They are all the same thing; the person(s) who established the Trust.

If the Grantor is alive, then they can be the EIN Responsible Party for the LLC. If there are multiple Grantors, you can just pick someone. There is no requirement to pick one Grantor over another.

If the Grantor(s) is/are deceased, then a Trustee (or Successor Trustee if the Trustee is deceased) can be the EIN Responsible Party for the LLC.

Only 1 Responsible Party is needed

The IRS only needs one (1) Responsible Party on file for your LLC’s EIN.

If your LLC is a Multi-Member LLC, the IRS doesn’t need the contact information of all the LLC Members. They just want one Responsible Party on file with the EIN.

The other LLC Members will be listed in your LLC Operating Agreement.

The EIN Responsible Party is not personally liable for IRS tax debt

A lot of readers wonder if listing themselves as the EIN Responsible Party will automatically make them personally liable if the LLC defaults, avoids, or evades taxes with the IRS by the fault of another LLC Member (in a Multi-Member LLC).

Just being listed as the EIN Responsible Party doesn’t automatically make you personally liable for the LLC’s IRS tax debts.

However, that doesn’t mean you won’t receive letters from the IRS and have to present yourself in tax court (in more serious circumstances) in order for it to become a fact that you are not personally “responsible” (personally liable) for the LLC’s tax debt.

The following two terms have different meanings:

  • EIN Responsible Party
  • “responsible” person

In tax court, it could be determined that the person listed as the EIN Responsible Party is not actually personally “responsible” for the LLC’s tax debt (if another Member knowingly lied or avoided paying/filing LLC taxes with the IRS).

Again, the easiest way to think of the EIN Responsible Party is it’s the “contact person” between the LLC and the IRS.

In a Multi-Member LLC, the person listed as the EIN Responsible Party should be the one willing to take on the role/responsibility of making sure all taxes are filed correctly and paid on time.

In a Single-Member LLC, as the owner, you must be the EIN Responsible Party. And just like in a Multi-Member LLC, you are not automatically personally liable for your LLC’s tax debts, however, if you knowingly lie or avoid paying/filing taxes with the IRS, then the IRS will go after you personally.

How to update/change the EIN Responsible Party for an LLC

To change the EIN Responsible Party for your LLC, you need to file Form 8822-B with the IRS.

Download Form 8822-B:

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8822b.pdf

Leave Boxes 1-3 unchecked and then enter your LLC name and EIN on lines #4a and #4b. Then leave #5, #6, and #7 blank.

Enter the Responsible Party’s name in #8 and their SSN or ITIN in #9.

In the “Signature” section, enter the Responsible Party’s phone number. This can be a cell, home, or office number. Then have the Responsible Party sign and enter today’s date.

For title:

  • Use “Owner” if you have a Single-Member LLC taxed as a Sole Proprietorship
  • Use “Partner” if you have a Multi-Member LLC taxed as a Partnership
  • Use your officer title if you have an LLC taxed as a C-Corporation or S-Corporation

8822-B Mailing Address:

Please refer to page 1 of Form 8822-B to determine where to mail the form to the IRS.

Matt Horwitz
Founder & Educator, LLC University®
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37 Comments

  1. Dan March 23, 2018

    Can the general public look up and find out who is listed as the responsible party for an LLC? Is the responsible party public information? Thanks.

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    • Matt Horwitz March 26, 2018

      Hi Dan, no, they cannot. The Responsible Party is private information kept on file with the IRS.

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  2. Dan March 27, 2018

    Great, thanks!

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    • Matt Horwitz March 27, 2018

      Sure thing Dan!

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  3. Peter May 21, 2018

    I formed a single member LLC (LLC 2) for which my other LLC (LLC 1) is the only member. can LLC 1 be a responsible party with it’s EIN when applying for LLC 2’s EIN number online?

    I did just that and when I click submit at the end of application it keeps telling me that they were unable to complete my application and that I should try again in few minutes.

    from instructions it seems that only an individual can be a responsible party. here is portion from most current instructions (REV. 12-2017):
    “Unless the applicant is a government entity, the responsible party must be an individual (i.e., a natural person), not an entity.”

    what is the right way to proceed with my EIN application?
    thank you

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    • Matt Horwitz May 22, 2018

      Hey Peter, you are correct. Effective 2018, the EIN Responsible Party can no longer be an entity, it must be an individual. We’ve update this lesson to reflect these changes. The correct way to proceed is to list yourself as the Responsible Party, even though the LLC is owned by your other LLC. The profits/losses of the child/subsidiary LLC will still flow up to the parent and I recommend working with an accountant to file your returns properly. Hope that helps.

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  4. Peter May 22, 2018

    thank you Matt,
    so the part that says: “Unless the applicant is a government entity, the responsible party must be an individual (i.e., a natural person), not an entity.” does not mean that it has to be an individual?

    this part is in the most current instructions and was not in the previous one so I wonder if they changed how it works now.

    I hope you are correct, because I want to make sure that I can just move my profits from LLC 2 into LLC 1 for tax purposes and file as an s-corp under LLC-1.

    thank you again

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    • Matt Horwitz June 17, 2018

      Hi Peter, yes, as of 2018, the Responsible Party must be an individual. We’ve updated the lesson to reflect the new changes. Having the Responsible Party be an individual (in this case, you) doesn’t affect the taxation of the child/subsidiary LLC. You’re still allowed to report it’s profits/losses along with the parent LLC in your tax return. We recommend working with an accountant to make sure all returns are filed properly. Hope that helps.

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      • Jason August 1, 2018

        How should this be answered then?
        – I am one of the owners, members, or the managing member of this LLC.
        – I am a third party applying for an EIN on behalf of this LLC.

        Thank you!

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        • Jason August 1, 2018

          I chose “I am one of the owners, members, or the managing member of this LLC.” and “JASON {LAST NAME} SOLE MBR” is listed at the top of my EIN. Is this ok? Thanks

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          • Matt Horwitz August 15, 2018

            Hi Jason, yes, that is correct.

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        • Matt Horwitz August 15, 2018

          Hi Jason, if you are the the Member (owner) of the LLC, then you would select “I am one of the owners, members, or the managing member of this LLC”. Hope that helps.

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          • Jason August 15, 2018

            “I am one of the owners, members, or the managing member of this LLC” is ok when the sole member is another LLC but I’m the responsible party? Sorry, I should have made that more clear. Thank you

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            • Matt Horwitz August 17, 2018

              Hey Jason, yea, I understand the confusion lol. It’s not really significant. Here’s what going on. The IRS rolled out new rules and it’s quite an undertaking for them. And many connected parts to those changes aren’t fixed for some time… like the confusion of being called a “SOLE MBR” of an LLC that you don’t own, but rather, your other LLC owns. However, if you have to call the IRS, they want to hear the word “owner” (or “partner” in a Multi-Member LLC). Once they hear that word, they’ll discuss the account with you. So just think of it as loose term, something like an indirect owner. The IRS isn’t too concerned about the “chain of command” (what company own what company), they just want to deal with the owner of it all, as in the final person. That’s my best interpretation for now, but hope that helps.

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              • Jason August 17, 2018

                Perfect. Thank you so much!

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                • Matt Horwitz August 17, 2018

                  You’re welcome man!

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  5. vinnie May 23, 2018

    Hi Matt,
    Thanks for sharing very informative article. I have a question.
    I have an Wyoming LLC registered. We are 2 partners in the LLC. One partner is an overseas citizen and does not have SSN or ITIN. I have filed for the EIN as me as a responsible party for the LLC.

    Now we want to open another LLC as operating company. This new company will be responsible to do all business activities, signing all agreements with our overseas customers in africa.
    Need advice and guidance:-
    1.) How and where to form this company
    2.) In this company me and my overseas partner will be the only 2 members
    3.) I need to make sure the structure we form for this company is correct as my overseas partner will apply for investment based immigration after approx 6 months.
    Any help is really appreciated. Thanks Vinnie

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    • Matt Horwitz June 17, 2018

      Hi Vinnie, you’re very welcome. This is too complex of a situation for us to get involved with. You’ll need to hire or speak with someone else for assistance, especially #3 – you’ll want to speak with an immigration attorney. Thank you for understanding.

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  6. Jessica May 24, 2018

    hey matt,
    im forming an LLC with another partner and im wondering, if i am the “responsible party” for the ein number and something is wrong with the taxes or so ever, am i the only one who is in trouble or my partner too?

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    • Matt Horwitz June 17, 2018

      Hi Jessica, it’s the entity who is on the hook with the IRS, not the Responsible Party, however, mail and correspondence will be sent to the Responsible Party if there are issues. And if it really got down to it, all LLC Members would be disclosed in tax court and then the real “responsible” person would be identified. Hope that helps.

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  7. david d. August 9, 2018

    For the past 2 years I have operated a sole proprietorship with a properly issued EIN … for business reasons (taking on a partner and maybe 2) I want to form an LLC here in Massachusetts… do I have to apply for a new EIN or can I simply use my existing EIN as I would be the manager/member of the LLC I plan to form ??
    Thanks for your help

    david

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    • Matt Horwitz August 15, 2018

      Hi David, you can’t use the same EIN. When taking on partners and forming a new entity, you’ll need to apply for a new EIN. Hope that helps!

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      • David August 15, 2018

        Thanks very much – that was very helpful
        D

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  8. Wallace August 29, 2018

    Hi Matt,

    Is possible the responsible party be a sole proprietorship with EIN?

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    • Matt Horwitz October 10, 2018

      Hi Wallace, our research findings indicate that the IRS now wants the Responsible Party to be an individual using an SSN or ITIN. Hope that helps.

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  9. Danielle Robinson September 6, 2018

    Hi!

    I am currently apart of a multi-member LLC. I act as the EIN Responsible party. I sign all the contracts and handle all the filings. The company address is also my home address. Does that make my property liable in any tax implication ? Can I change the company address to a PO box instead?

    Also,, we are considering changing the business structure to a Manager Member mIx (a few full time, a couple passive and a couple external). Do you happen to have annoperating agreement template?

    Lastly, have you ever heard of a multi-member LLC with no CEO? Is that possible? Is it recommended or not?

    Thank you!

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    • Matt Horwitz October 16, 2018

      Hi Danielle, no, your property is not owned by the LLC. Regarding the address change, it depends on the state, however, most states don’t allow a PO Box for the Registered Agent. A few allow a PO Box for the Principal Office Address (or similar address). However, you could look into a mailbox rental as an alternative. Most of the time that can be used for your LLC’s address with the state as well as with the IRS. You can find Operating Agreement templates by clicking on your state from our home page and then selecting the Operating Agreement lesson. Although the title CEO can be used in an LLC, it’s more common to use the title Managers, Managing Members, and/or Members to distinguish roles. Hope that helps.

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  10. JJ January 10, 2019

    Hi,
    Thanks for all of the great info!
    I just want to clarify the EIN/SSN responsible party for a child LLC:
    I need to list my SSN on the child LLC’s EIN application, even though the owner is the parent LLC and and has its own EIN?
    Thanks for your help!
    JJ

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    • Matt Horwitz January 10, 2019

      Hey JJ, as per the IRS’ new rules, that’s what they’re wanting. I hear you though… a bit confusing.

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  11. Sara January 10, 2019

    Will the person with the EIN number be shown as the owner of the LLC or can they be just a Manager of the LLC? When filing as a multi-member LLC do the Managers appear as owners of the LLC?

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    • Matt Horwitz January 10, 2019

      At this time, on the EIN Confirmation Letter (CP 575), the IRS prints “SOLE MBR” for a Single-Member LLC and “MBR” for Multi-Member LLC. Hope that helps.

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  12. Burke January 22, 2019

    Hi Matt, first of all thanks for an amazing platform regarding LLC and EIN. I have learnt a lot from here than i could have ever through an attorney even after paying them.

    My query is that we are a 3 member foreign LLC. We are now applying for the EIN and would like to know that if the responsible party is the other member would i be able to get a business credit card approved under my name for business or would it have to be the guy who is the responsible party?

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    • Matt Horwitz January 22, 2019

      Hey Burke, thank you for the kind words :) Glad you are finding the website helpful! No, you don’t have to be the LLC’s EIN Responsible Party to get a credit card for your LLC. Any LLC Member can apply for a business credit card (unless they were restricted via the Operating Agreement… but that would be rare). Hope that helps!

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  13. Richard D Schell January 30, 2019

    What if the member/owner/responsible party is not a USA citizen and does not have a social security number? Thanks.

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    • Matt Horwitz February 8, 2019

      Hi Richard, they can still obtain an EIN for the LLC. You don’t have to be a US citizen/resident or have a social security number to get an EIN. We have instructions here: EIN for LLC without social security number. Hope that helps.

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  14. Jason February 20, 2020

    Hi Matt,

    Thanks for the information you provide in this article. It is very informative and very helpful.

    My question is about multiple EINs. Is it true that I can only be the responsible party for one EIN application? I have multiple LLCs for which I am the manager, but I receive an error when I request an EIN for my second LLC. Both LLCs are solely owned by a trust; both are managed by me. If I can only be the responsible party for one EIN, how do I get an EIN for the second?

    Thanks,
    Jason

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    • Matt Horwitz April 9, 2020

      Hi Jason, you’re very welcome. You can be the Responsible Party on as many EIN applications as you’d like… but you can only submit one EIN application per Responsible Party per 24 hours. So you just need to space them out, timing wise. Apologies for the slow reply. Hope that helps.

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